Taking the Law into Your Own Hands

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Taking the Law Into Your Own Hands

My wife and I [Joseph Hebert] recently took the class to get our concealed weapons permits here in Oklahoma. We’ve been here six years, so I guess it’s about time. We used to have our permits in Texas, but had to relinquish them when we moved here. Even then, after writing letters and lobbying hard to get the concealed carry law passed, it was several years before we actually got the permits. I guess I’m just not that big of a gun nut.

Still, it got me to thinking about the line delineating self-defense and taking the law into your own hands. I don’t have a problem with people defending themselves, or their families, or even their neighbors and property. But no one should take the law into their own hands. Should they?

Of course we all know that it is wrong to take the law into your own hands, by which I mean seeking one’s own justice, retribution or whatever you choose to call vengeance, but why? Stated simply, it’s wrong because God said “Vengeance is mine. I will repay,” (see Hebrews 10: 30). It is not for you and I to take upon ourselves that which God has reserved for Himself.

Unfortunately, a lot of Christians get the impression that if we forgive those who sin against us, they’re getting away with something. They are not. Understand first that when we forgive we do so for our own sake, not theirs. Note that God said “I will repay!” God will meet out justice against them, and our forgiveness doesn’t change that. What it does change is us. Instead of carrying around emotional baggage of hatred and bitterness we let it go and move on, growing in Jesus and spiritual strength.

And don’t think that God’s vengeance exists only in the next life either. I would refer you to Romans chapter 13. There Paul makes plain that all governmental powers exist because God ordained them, and for a purpose too.

But if thou doeth that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Romans 13: 4b

This verse should make two things painfully clear to anyone willing to see. First, it is folly to believe that God’s vengeance will be forestalled until the next life. Second, if it is wrong for you and I to take our own vengeance, is it not at least equally wrong for the government not to?

Indeed, there are going to be any number of governors, judges, legislators and other officials who will be held to answer for their failings. Today judges seem more interested in rehabilitating prisoners than punishing them. But is it their place to “rehabilitate” prisoners?

God did not charge the government with rehabilitating men, or reforming them or whatever you choose to call creating anew. It is God, not government, who makes men new creations. And when governors and judges try to make this part of the judicial system, they are usurping God’s role in the lives of men.

So yes, we should forgive, but the government should punish and leave the administration of God’s mercy and grace to Christians and the churches.

Or should they? Maybe it’s not so simple as that. Consider the first part of the verse just cited.

For he is the minister of God to thee for good.

Romans13: 4a

As tempting as it might be to blame our cultural crisis on an out-of-control liberal government, perhaps the blame is more rightfully our own. It’s certainly true that governments around the world have taken onto themselves many functions that God left to the churches and to Christians. But, we cannot ignore the fact that the churches and Christians have been all too happy to let them, and the results have been tragic.

Take, for example, healing the sick. Look at healthcare everywhere that it has been taken over by government. Who in England or Canada stayed to get free health care in their own tax-funded systems? Those who had a choice spent their own money to come to America where they could still find private sector health care, often administered in hospitals with names that reflected Christian denominational association.

What about education. God’s Word tells us the family is responsible to educate their own children (e.g. Deuteronomy 6: 7; 11: 19), but once again we find governments doing what God intended others to do. So tell me this. When our elected officials go to Washington D.C., do they put their children in those same public schools they impose on others, or do they send their children to private schools?

No, if God intended the government to be His minister to us for good, then we have no one to blame but ourselves when the government takes over those responsibilities that we shirked.

Consider caring for the poor? Do widows and orphans and the infirm look to the church for their needs? Or do they turn to the government? And when people turned to the government for help, did the church stand up and say to the government, “No! It’s not your place to care for the poor. That’s our job!” Or did pastors and deacons and congregations across the nation look at each other, quietly holding their tongues, enamored of lucre and forgetful that the money they thought of as their own was in fact the Lord’s, and silently think how much nicer their sanctuaries and worship services could be once they didn’t have to spend so much on handouts?

Of course, we’re not the first to disobey God, to subvert His will to the slaking of our own lusts, only to try and obfuscate our disobedience as though it were service to Him. Once upon a time God told Saul to wipe out the Amalakites, right down to every last sheep and ox. God was very clear that none should be left alive. Still, when Samuel showed up at their camp he found something else.

And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed [be] thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD. And Samuel said, What [meaneth] then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear? And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.

I Samuel 15: 13 – 15

And Samuel said, Hath the LORD [as great] delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey [is] better than sacrifice, [and] to hearken than the fat of rams.

I Samuel 15: 22

So tell me this. Which do you think God is most impressed with? Our finely appointed sanctuaries or our state-of-the-art multimedia audio/visual systems? Or might He have preferred that we care for the poor? Does anyone really believe that He might one day say, “When you amplified your voices through mixing boards and projected my words onto screens for all to see and hear, you did it unto me?”

No, that’s not right. Oh yeah! I remember now. He’s going to say …

Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Matthew 25: 45b

So if the government is taking over responsibilities that it was never intended to bear, it’s at least in part because we chose disobedience as our course. And make no mistake, the consequences of our disobedience are tragic.

Are the poor cared for? Is their circumstance improved? Or are they now condemned because of our disobedience?

Think about it for a moment. Are the poor grateful to God for their provision? Are they grateful to anyone? Are they humble in their asking for, and appreciative when they receive, help? Or are they now emboldened with a sense of entitlement? Does their sense of pride make them more or less amenable to accepting God’s grace? Or do they now look upon charity, the very definition of Christian love, with disdain, as though it were evil?

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

Isaiah 5: 20 – 23

So no, I don’t think the poor have been well served on our watch. They are made prideful and unthankful toward God. With vanity they think government handouts are their goodly due, protecting them from being humbled, and they despise Christian charity as an affront to their pride. In other words, they call evil good and good evil, all because we all too happily allowed the government to usurp our responsibility.

Yes, in time every judge that uses our First Amendment to protect filth-mongers like Larry Flynt and Hugh Hefner, while also using it to prevent high school students from praying at their own graduations, will stand before God to answer. And God has already told us what He’ll say to them. He is going to say, “Woe unto you, who justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!”

When judges and government officials fail to do as God ordained, they will be held to account. Many judges like to point out that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Similarly, even if they refuse to admit it, those judges derive their legitimate power from God, and He will hold them accountable, both for failing to do what they should and for trying to do what they shouldn’t.

But don’t think that we are blameless in this. We didn’t just allow this, many of us welcomed it. Indeed, many of us caused it by refusing to do as God required of us. Eve blamed the serpent, Adam blamed Eve and God both. Saul blamed his soldiers. Let’s not you and I try to blame anyone else. Even if the government insists on doing what it shouldn’t, that’s no reason for you and I to not do as we should.

So what exactly is it that we’re supposed to do? Just care for the poor?

What we are supposed to do is love God above all others, love our neighbors as ourselves, and love our brothers and sisters in Christ as He loved us. In this is the fulfillment of all the Law. In other words, we really should take the Law into our own hands.

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[Editor’s note: Special thanks to Joseph Hebert for permission to reprint and share some of his articles here on Finding Gems & Sharing Them.  He is a believer and a scientist and has recently challenged my thinking and touched my spirit on many levels.  I hope you will delight in the wisdom he brings to issues we as a society are currently wrestling with.  May we hear the Lord above the noise and serve Him well with our time and treasure! Sandra Crosnoe]


OK-SAFE Says Repent and Stop Health Care Reform Legislation and Tells Reps Why!

Amanda Teegarden from OK-SAFE to


Joint Legislative Committee

on 11-03-11

Health Care Reform —

IT, Security, Privacy Issues/Concerns

In the beginning of the presentation, Amanda made the critical point,

“He did not give man dominion over man….”

The powerpoint presentation is available on scribd for reference and for sharing in it’s entirety. There is a link below and then ideally the presentation should be embedded here. If not refresh your screen and if it is still not showing as embedded, click on the link to see the power point presentation via scribd’s website.

OK-SAFE, Inc. PPT – Joint Committee on Health Care Reform Law 11-03-11

The research will show you what has been done in legislation to bring us to this point. It also documents the many policy concerns with this level of information sharing and why we should not be permitting it to be done nor being asked to pay for it and ‘forced’ to implement it in our states. Study the presentation and talk to your friends about it. We must be able to tell people why we do not want to share our data and why it should not be being collected and retained. We must understand that if collected it will be shared with/without your ‘permission’ because ‘they’ can. Once shared, there is no way to put the genie back in the bottle. What will happen to your identity if you no longer ‘own’ it?

In closing, Amanda gives the joint committee seven recommendations which we hope will be heeded by ALL of our elected officials and representatives who are charged with the public trust in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

1.Repent – not kidding here
2.Do not establish a state-based Health Insurance exchange – it will be the same as the Federal government’s version
3.Allow people to escape HIT/HIE system without penalty; do not penalize providers who opt not to adopt EHRs or participate in this system
4.Repeal state laws that prohibit individuals from seeking alternative health care services, i.e. homeopathic medicines or non-traditional treatments
5.Terminate the Oklahoma Health Information Exchange Trust
6.Audit the Oklahoma Health Care Authority – expenses outweigh benefits
7.Adhere to the OK Constitution – work to restore liberty


Go to www.okhealthcare.info for information on this and past joint committee meetings.

Visit OK-Safe website for more information. Become a member today to stay informed and help keep this group’s influence growing and keep yourself and your friends informed by signing up for the newsletters and alerts on the website.

For a Nebraska perspective on Health Care Reform from Shelli Dawdy of Grassroots in Nebraska see  10 Untold Truths About Health Care Law State Officials Hope You Miss.

Posted by Sandra Crosnoe for OKGrassroots and R3publicans

Nov 4, 2011

Tonight on AxXiom For Liberty Live with Kaye Beach and Howard Houchen-


Listening info

Special Guest:

Amanda Teegarden, Executive Director of OK-SAFE will present to us the same information she revealed to lawmakers on Thursday at a joint committee hearing on the federal health care reform about what will happen to our personal health information under the federal health care reform law.

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Grassroots Action Alert!

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Calls needed to Senate on all bills mentioned below; House as well on Health Care Bill.

Where are the champions on these issues – melt the phones and tell us about the calls!


Defeat S. 909 Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Bill

Status: Currently in the Senate, this bill could come up for a vote as early as TODAY.

As reported on the Boston.com site, this hate crimes legislation has now been attached to a Defense spending bill that is currently on the Senate floor.

There are many problems with “hate crimes” legislation, including that violates the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment by providing special protections to some citizens it does not afford to others. It further violates the First Amendment by suppressing speech and religion.

On the Truth Tellers site, there is a video featuring testimony of Attorney General Eric Holder admitting that the bill doesn’t provide equal protection for all.

Defeat Sotomayor for Supreme Court

Status: Currently in Senate Judiciary Com and will pass out of committee easily. This should be a target vote and we should ask all constitutionalists R’s and D’s and I’s to oppose this confirmation based on:

1) right to keep and bear arms

2) private property and the respect thereof

3) prolife core issue

4) ethical standing before the committee

5) judicial temperment

For more information, visit the Gun Owners of America site

Defeat of Pass Act

Status: Currently in Senate.

For more information on this bill visit the following sites:

Stop Real ID Coalition

OK-Safe, read the July 2 posting

Defeat of Socialized Medicine

Status: Currently being proposed by Obama Administration, moved out of the Senate Health Committee on July 15

This bill may come up for a vote before Congress goes on the summer break.

A government take over of the US health care system will be a disaster both to our economy and to the quality of medical care.

For more information, see

The Cato Institute’s “Five Myths About Socialized Medicine”

Heritage Foundation “The House Health Care Bill a Blueprint for Federal Control”

Defeat of Cap and Trade

Status: Currently in Senate, reported to be delayed until after the summer break, passed out of the House on June 26

This bill stands to have ruinous effects on our economy, significant increases in costs for utilities and purchases, and intrusion of government into nearly every part our lives.

For more information visit Facts Are Stubborn Things



Calls needed to Senate on all bills mentioned above; House as well on Health Care Bill.

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